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hey first good evening and welcome to

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we've got a malevolent haunting Round

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and uh our guests include Dave Spinks

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who has been investigating and

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researching the supernatural since 1986.

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due to several experiences he had as a

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young man since that time he has

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conducted several hundred investigations

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in the U.S as well as Europe

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they've served in the U.S Air Force for

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eight years and went on to work as a

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federal law enforcement officer retiring

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in 2011. during his paranormal

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investigations Dave has experienced many

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hair raising and unnerving things as one

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might imagine having investigated

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strange phenomena for over 30 years she

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has built many friendships with some of

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the well-known investigators in the

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field today

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he has been seen on various television

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shows to include Expedition X tear in

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the woods paranormal 911 young explained

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In Search Of Monsters and these Woods

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are haunted just name a few

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is also featured in the film Flatwoods

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Monster a legacy of fear by small town

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monsters

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he has been a future guest on hundreds

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of paranormal related radio shows and

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podcast Dave has often featured guest

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speaker paranormal conferences around

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the country he is also the author of

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numerous books on the topics include uh

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Cryptids hauntings and ufology

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and co-founding and leading entity

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Seeker paranormal research and teaching

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since 2003 Morgan knutson's experiences

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and acknowledge and knowledge have led

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to researching and co-creating a unique

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investigative program called teaching

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the living

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and subsequently has been featured and

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hosted numerous specials live

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presentations and TV shows on the

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Discovery Channel a haunting uh tne

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Destination America the travel channel

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as well as Coast to Coast AM now

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mortgage programs are now practiced in

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three different countries and are part

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of the numerous social work and

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psychological

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uh secondary education courses in Canada

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she is also a regular contributor to the

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number one magazine in UK a haunted

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magazine her work has been presented at

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the Rhine Research Institute in her book

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teaching the living a heartbreak to

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happiness in the haunted home is now

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available

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and Richard Michelle is a Paranormal

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Morris County New Jersey

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he is the unearned team leader of the

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New Jersey paranormal project an

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organization he founded back in 2007 his

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goal was to research and investigate

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spirit

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uh through the New Jersey paranormal

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project he has gotten to work on some of

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the with some of the best experts in the

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Paranormal field spiritual list and

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mediums the New Jersey paranormal

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project can be seen on YouTube and

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anyone can view the case files and be

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part of the investigation

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Richard is also a writer author and

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lecture his latest book is titled Case

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Files of the Paranormal in his website

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can be found at richardmachella.com so

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folks thanks for joining me this evening

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hey it's good to see everybody for

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having me thanks for having me along

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thank God good to see you all uh before

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we get started we're kind of keeping an

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eye on this UFO or whatever they all get

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shot down over

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um over Alaska today

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and I think Morgan's got the feed so if

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we get any updates she'll she'll go news

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give us a news flash that's kind of a

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crazy story up there and it's like you

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know yeah it's in for an update so if it

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happens well I mean no real time they

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kind of left us hanging the whole the

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whole day I mean you know that thing

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came out today and

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then the Pentagon first they had the uh

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the Admiral came in at um at the White

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and said a few things answered a few

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questions then they went to the Pentagon

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and the generals there started answering

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questions but

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I don't know answering questions is not

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really the the operative word for this

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they kind of uh

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it kind of kept it uh you know I don't

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yeah you knew something was going on but

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they weren't even talking about it's I

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don't know you know you know it's I

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don't believe it was a balloon it seemed

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like some cracked or something was up

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there that they don't really know what

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to say about it over 40

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000 feet up you know very high altitude

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that's strange well it makes you wonder

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how long it had been there as well I

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mean you know considering what happened

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recently with the balloon you know we

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just we hear about it being shot down

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but how you know how long was it

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actually there before they they decided

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that that was a good idea I don't know

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I mean Dave you've been in service what

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do you think

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cover story for something something

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definitely went on we know that but yeah

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um you know typically in these

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situations

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newers people probably saw this thing as

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well so they had to come up with

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something right away to just kind of

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quell the people down

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um you know we'll probably never know

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like we were talking before the show you

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know what really happened we probably

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will never know they don't they only

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know what we what they want us to know

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they're only going to tell us what they

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want us to want to tell us so you know

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that's just how it goes with these

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things it could it could go it could run

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the Gambit on anything I mean it could

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be some kind of a top secret project

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that wouldn't arrive and they had to

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shoot it down it could have been who

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knows what I mean you can go down the

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rabbit hole all you want that's why I

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told people on my post today just sit

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back and pay attention see what happens

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see what they say and uh don't jump to

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any conclusions because you know that's

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how misinformation gets spread all over

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the planet you know people freaking out

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oh it's aliens coming well you know we

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don't know that you know so just and pay

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attention to what they say and what they

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don't say you got to read into stuff

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sometimes too when they're doing these

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uh Pentagon press conferences you know I

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mean uh

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if it's top secret just say let's say

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hypothetical if it was an alien craft

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and they shot it down they're not going

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to tell us that folks because number one

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why they want that Tech they're going to

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keep it for themselves and they're gonna

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come up with a cover story so well the

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newest update and Morgan just said the

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news update was that there were no

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humans on it that was kind of a crazy

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statement to make right yeah and that

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was really weird why would you even say

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that so what was on it was there

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anything on it or was there another

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living being or I mean what was it yeah

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well like I was saying we were talking

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before the show and um you know that's

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the one thing I always I always say to

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to people that are you looking to be

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investigators or anything like that is

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this not only Dave like you said you got

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to read in between the lines but also

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look for information that wasn't asked

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so you know if you've got somebody that

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comes forward and says you know well

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there are no humans on board well that's

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not typically human like our language

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our languages no one was injured or our

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languages uh you know no one was on

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board was on you know whatever that is

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but the human portion of that sentence

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was an unasked right yeah it was an

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unasked question right so you got to

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wonder like what hmm interesting I

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thought it was strange too how they said

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uh this was not a flying craft I mean it

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didn't make sense what was it then they

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open some kind of interdimensional

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doorway and there was something hanging

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in the sky would be interesting you know

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you know I wouldn't put it past anything

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anymore

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somebody said yep management craft is

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shot in from nowhere and we shot it down

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yeah sure yeah I mean what are we

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dealing with here but who knows you know

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we just got to kind of wait and see what

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trans

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well you know I've got friends and

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family that have been in the Air Force

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and you know but uh I talked to someone

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today who um I asked about it I said

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well what you know the area where they

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were and he used to be he was a full

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colonel in USAF but he retired and I

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asked him he told me he said well you

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and I thought well that's interesting I

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didn't really realize it was up there

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but uh and he said well that he said

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that Alaska and this is what he told me

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is Alaska has 26 defensive radar

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stations and there's several up there

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along that along that Arctic Coast

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so uh yeah

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yeah you know that's that's a primary

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jumping off point you know the guard

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from Russian bombers and missiles in

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there that's why they have so much radar

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up there so

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um I mean it's basically just across a

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small point in the ocean

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where where Russia is from us well yeah

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that's that's the quickest route to

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Russia and that's where the Alaskan Air

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Command is stationed at right up there

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along the uh the Arctic sea so yeah it's

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more called yeah yeah so who knows but

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anyway we're here to talk about

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something comes up over here talking

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about the level of hauntings now

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now each of us have been involved with

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the Paranormal in in cases and

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investigations and we may have actually

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one some of us may have actually had

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some malevolency in in uh you know

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personally but um I'm gonna go around

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the horn here and I'm going to ask you

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all which uh you know what have you

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experienced in the past and uh either

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cases or personally I'll start with Dave

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well I mean doing this for so long guys

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I mean I've had a quite a few hair

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raising like I say my bio I've had some

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pretty hair raving experiences uh I've

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been attacked by unseen things several

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times I actually have my arm uh

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fractured I can't say it was not

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coincidence because of what all

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transpired uh at another location I had

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something

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smack me on the head so to speak and I

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actually had a knock come up and I was

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bleeding

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um and that was witnessed by numerous

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people and that's during investigations

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during you know during

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um my young life I had a couple of

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paranormal experience that we've talked

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about on your show before that set me in

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my so you know my journey into the

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Paranormal if you will but yeah you know

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uh two very uh distinct things

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um I wrote a book about both of them but

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the wicked 46 house that we that I

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dubbed at the wicked 46 house that's in

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Pennsylvania is a case that uh I was a

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part of a team of people that went into

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this notorious haunted house that had

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ties to the Warrens from the early 80s

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and everything and uh we actually lived

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in it 24 7 for over 30 days just to

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investigate it you know to immerse

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ourselves into that situation

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and uh went back three more times for

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two more weeks at a time and uh had some

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really bad stuff happen

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um I had an attachment from it

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um after spending that much time in

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there where my personal life went

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completely upside down I went

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financially ruined I was having health

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problems I was having these horrible

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nightmares uh where every night uh this

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Dark Cloud was around me and these black

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arms would reach out and like physically

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try to grab me and every night it seemed

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as if they got closer you know in my

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dream and I would often wake up and I'd

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be pouring the sweat and it felt so real

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until finally one night one of them got

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a hold of my shirt in the dream and

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grabbed me and I woke up just terrified

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and I was sweating and everything and I

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noticed I had a little rip in my t-shirt

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that I was wearing when I was sleeping

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and had a scratch on my arm and then

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that's when I found out I had a tumor in

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my leg

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that just came out of nowhere uh within

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a within a week or so after that dream

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my foot started going numb so I went to

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the doctor and sure enough I had a mass

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in my leg the size of a softball

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and uh I was going was going I started

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going through a really really bad

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divorce finances were upside down and

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then this light bulb came on in my head

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and

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um it was like holy crap I better have

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an attachment from this I didn't even

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think about that aspect and I went and

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got blessed by a Catholic priest and I'm

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not even Catholic I'm Baptist it's all a

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Baptist Minister and saw Shaman and I

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kid you not within a week or two

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everything seemed to turn around I

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didn't have to go have surgery and have

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this thing taken out of my leg uh and

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other things too but

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um the financial part and the spiritual

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part you know it seemed like everything

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was falling apart and it all started

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when when I started immersing myself

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into that case and I never really put

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two and two together and that was early

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you know not early but that was before

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that I knew of anyone had actually

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physically done something to that length

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and that in depth and I I really got it

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really just turned my life upside down

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because before you know you usually go

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and you spend one night or two nights in

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a place and try to document as much

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evidence paranormally as you can and

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that was a whole new ball game back then

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that was back in 2013 when that happened

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and um

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and I've done many more cases like that

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but that first one was so some of the

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things we experienced in that house it

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was to me purely demonic and negative in

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nature um and several of the people

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involved in the first month of it they

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didn't last they were out of there they

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left they were one has seen two grown

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men cry like little babies they were so

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terrified of whatever was in that house

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and uh you know these things are you

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know for me and this is all opinion

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based guys I mean there's no experts in

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this stuff all we can do is base all of

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our stuff off of our own experiences

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other people's experiences and try to

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um you know put all that together and

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say well you know we can't we can't

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document that scientifically we can't

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recreate it scientifically therefore we

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think it could be and I stress could be

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paranormal in nature

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um so when you when you delve into this

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stuff you realize for me personally I

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know there's negative Spirits evil

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entities whatever name you want to use

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demonic

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they're out there and their Spirits all

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around us all the time in my personal

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opinion but there are very negative ones

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out there too what exactly they are I'm

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not going to say I just know what my

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opinion is and it's all based off of our

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cultural beliefs how we've been raised

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you know so you can't I can't tell Joe

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blow over here that his way is wrong

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when I don't even know his way you know

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so

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you know I've had many things that I've

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written about that were negative in

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nature so when you go out and look for

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this stuff you do experience bad stuff I

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mean that's just the nature of the game

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oh it's good and the more you look yeah

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the more you look the odds are guess

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what you're gonna find it absolutely

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how are you Morgan uh what can you tell

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us

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oh you're so well for me I've always had

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a fascination with this side of of the

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Paranormal because usually if you get a

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phone call it's not because people are

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having a good time usually they're

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having a good time you don't exactly

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which you know and I think that's a a

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huge misconception with with the

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Paranormal just out of the get-go uh is

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that you know statistically the majority

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of people have very very positive and

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happy experiences with paranormal

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statistically when you you look at it

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academically there it's it's

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overwhelmingly positive but then of

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course you get this small faction that

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gets a lot of attention because when

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people need help they really need help

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um so for me

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um it's been really interesting because

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really early on when I started to

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research some of this

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um and I had an experience when I was a

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kid that was it was really frightening I

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don't know whether it was you know

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quote-unquote evil or not but it was it

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was it scared me as a kid

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um and uh it but it fascinated me

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because it was it was a dynamic that I

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didn't understand so when my business

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partner Stephanie and I when we really

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started to research this over the years

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we realized something really interesting

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that there was a very strong tie to

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people's emotional energy and what type

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of Paranormal Activity they were

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experiencing so when we realized that

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there was a connection there instead of

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oh my God this stuff is just asserted on

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us and we can't do anything about it for

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me immediately I was like okay you know

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ever no matter how flat you make a

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pancake there's always two sides how how

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are we engaging and interacting with

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these energies in the environment that

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is helping to create this dynamic

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because

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nothing ever is one-sided so what I what

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we realized very early was that when you

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looked at studies where places say for

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example like um designated blue zones

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and things like that were um where

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people were really prioritizing uh like

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healthy relationships and joy and and

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things like that the people in these

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communities weren't having these same

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experiences as the people who were in

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like even in in the west here like you

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know we're stressed we you know we don't

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process in negative emotion well

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um we don't have any of that and what

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was interesting for us was that as we

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were you know taking clients and we were

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researching we were doing these

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interviews we were realizing just how

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much of the the stuff that we're

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carrying ends up manifesting or

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attracting in to our environment so for

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for me

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the the real Focus hasn't necessarily

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been the negative entity per se because

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it's exactly like what Dave said we

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don't know what they are we don't know

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what it is we we can't slap a label on

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it but the one thing we can look at is

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the human Dynamic that the interactions

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that are going on

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um so that was where my focus was and

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that's where my book teaching the living

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actually came from was was was that that

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idea and um and parapsychologically when

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you go back into the the literature uh

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people like Dr William roll Dr Scott

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rogo although a lot of the big names in

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parapsychology really tied this in early

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on from to this this emotional energy

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side of it almost as a form of

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psychokinesis where they're manifesting

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these these like intelligences almost

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like where the thought becomes a thinker

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and these things are there they exist

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and they're intelligent and they seem to

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interact what they are we don't know but

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there's there's hands down a a very

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close connection to the the the people

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and what they're experiencing and Trauma

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and and all of that all kind of rolled

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into one so the for me that's how I come

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at this and um and like like Dave I've

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had

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such a great experience it's

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so it's it but it's fascinating

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you know I that's that's probably the

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most interesting thing about all of this

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is how each investigator or each person

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who's involved with this approaches it

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because nobody's the same I mean it's

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all always different

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um I mean like me for instance it's more

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of an intuitive thing as opposed but of

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course I'm gonna you know I'm gonna talk

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to the people even if it's remotely or

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you know I'm going to talk to them and

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work on them

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um and listen to them and have them tell

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me what's going on but um

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yeah I mean

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um it is interesting how

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people you know each person describes it

553
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,679
how about you Richard

554
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:22,559
yeah I got a phone call and it was from

555
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:25,679
a bar and uh the bar is in this location

556
00:22:31,070 --> 00:22:28,559
where it used to be a old hotel from the

557
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,080
1800s

558
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,840
and they said there was a lot of act a

559
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,000
lot of activity that was being caught on

560
00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:39,360
cameras and it looked like Shadows

561
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,120
so I went in with the team that I

562
00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:45,120
assembled and uh we go into the bar and

563
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,179
we start to document you know the areas

564
00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:50,159
of the bar that we are picking up the

565
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:53,100
activity at we brought a medium with us

566
00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:56,880
and the activity was coming from where a

567
00:23:01,730 --> 00:22:59,400
stairwell goes up to the second and

568
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,740
third floor and I asked the owner of the

569
00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:04,080
bar I go well what's up on these floors

570
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:06,600
and he says well we rent the rooms for

571
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:09,000
people that are down on their luck

572
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:10,559
um people that are getting out of prison

573
00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:14,220
people that you know need a place to

574
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:17,880
stay some have minor drug issues

575
00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:20,100
um so all of a sudden I'm like wow

576
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:21,960
you're experiencing these shadow

577
00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:25,440
entities at this section of the bar and

578
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:27,299
they're going up the stairwell and

579
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:30,720
people are experiencing these shadows as

580
00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:32,580
they're coming and going from the second

581
00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:34,860
in from the third floor coming down into

582
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:36,059
the bar

583
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:39,059
we had some REM pods that went off with

584
00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:41,100
intelligent questions asking them to

585
00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:44,340
step forward ask them to step away so we

586
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:46,980
go upstairs and I want to go into the

587
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:49,020
hallways where people are saying they're

588
00:23:54,049 --> 00:23:50,580
having these interactions with these

589
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,059
shadow beings so we set up cameras and

590
00:23:58,750 --> 00:23:56,159
in one of the cameras I think I sent the

591
00:24:01,970 --> 00:23:58,760
picture to Vincent and one of the camera

592
00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:01,980
shots that we got we have a

593
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:05,220
it looks like a shadowy mass in back of

594
00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:07,380
a door and my team are all in the room

595
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:09,960
and I took a burst of photos and it only

596
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:13,020
appeared in one of the photos and you

597
00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:14,760
could actually see the light coming in

598
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:17,100
from the door well from like the doorway

599
00:24:21,890 --> 00:24:19,080
and it's lighting up it almost looks to

600
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:21,900
be like a shoulder that's actually a

601
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:25,380
another shadow that I took

602
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,020
um right at my home

603
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,200
um I woke up at three at 3 30 in the

604
00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:34,320
morning and that hit there it is

605
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:36,740
and you can see this is the second floor

606
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,240
this is one of the rooms where the

607
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,240
residents live and they report seeing a

608
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:43,760
shadow person

609
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:46,620
and people that live in this place are

610
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,260
saying that they feel uh

611
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:52,320
oppressed they feel you know upset at

612
00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:54,600
times anger

613
00:24:59,630 --> 00:24:56,700
um very easily triggered even the people

614
00:25:02,029 --> 00:24:59,640
that are going to the bar are are saying

615
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:02,039
that you know it doesn't make them feel

616
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:03,360
right

617
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:05,640
um the the workers even say sometimes

618
00:25:10,090 --> 00:25:07,620
they feel like it follows them home and

619
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:10,100
it takes a day or so for it to go away

620
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:13,320
and it follows them into their home

621
00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:17,520
so malevolent uh it's definitely

622
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:20,340
something that isn't positive right so

623
00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:22,620
we can agree that there's this negative

624
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:24,539
vibe that's happening in this location

625
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,299
which makes sense I mean this isn't an

626
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,820
Applebee's so this is a bar where people

627
00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:31,679
are going that are already you know

628
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,720
maybe drinking away problems and you

629
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:36,000
could figure negative attracts negative

630
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:39,299
if you know positive negative so if

631
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:41,159
negative energy is attracting negative

632
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:44,700
energies this would be a prime place for

633
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:48,360
a malevolent Spirit or shadow person

634
00:25:53,149 --> 00:25:50,760
whatever they may be slipping out of

635
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,159
another realm into this realm or to

636
00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:55,919
cause havoc in people's lives this would

637
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:59,159
be an optimal place to do that you know

638
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,500
you have a bar and then on the two

639
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,880
floors you have people that are going

640
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,520
through their own turmoil

641
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:07,679
um and searching for God searching for

642
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:10,919
you know what whatever it may be so I

643
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:13,500
think that's a perfect storm for this

644
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:14,600
kind of

645
00:26:19,310 --> 00:26:17,880
activity to move into a location if that

646
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,320
makes any sense

647
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:21,539
yeah that's that seems to be the

648
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:23,940
overwhelming theme about these hauntings

649
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:25,140
is

650
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:28,140
a lot of times it has to do with the

651
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:29,220
actual

652
00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:32,580
humans living I mean you got dysfunction

653
00:26:37,310 --> 00:26:34,980
you got something going on there

654
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,320
or it's attracting all this negative

655
00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:40,080
energy I mean that where it's attracting

656
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:41,940
this entity that's drawn to this

657
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,700
negative energy it feeds upon it uh you

658
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:46,799
know we've heard about the shadow people

659
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:50,159
and all that you know these probably are

660
00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:56,029
human Spirit or former human Spirit they

661
00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:57,900
come from somewhere else who knows what

662
00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:00,659
they are but it seems like a lot of this

663
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:03,179
malevolously is attracted to dysfunction

664
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:07,080
or sickness or kids or you know any

665
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,960
number of things that just crop up

666
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,200
during life and people you know uh I

667
00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:15,120
have you know I've been attacked I've

668
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:17,400
been psychically attacked during remote

669
00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:22,140
uh sessions uh I had a um I was in the

670
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,860
middle of a remote viewing and uh I

671
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,600
literally had a

672
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:30,240
that laceration form for my sternum

673
00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:32,700
doubt to my belly button I mean it

674
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:34,740
opened right up I I didn't feel it at

675
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:37,020
first but I did later and then I knew

676
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,480
something was going on I had I got

677
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,000
attacked at a case I did on Prince

678
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:45,000
Edward Island remotely where I was uh I

679
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:47,400
had bruised ribs wow I mean I literally

680
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,380
had to you know had to go to the doctor

681
00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:51,840
and get myself tightened up so I could

682
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:54,299
breathe you know that's that kind of

683
00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:56,100
stuff and um

684
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,380
you know I I haven't had a whole lot

685
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:01,679
happened to me in person though I have

686
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:03,659
had a few things

687
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:05,940
but uh I don't know what it's if it's

688
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,820
about the remote uh remote sessions and

689
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:11,520
such where these things are just able to

690
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:14,520
come through somehow and attack you

691
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:19,909
um so I thought it was interesting

692
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:22,140
Richard brought up a bar because

693
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:25,380
spiritually I'm on the side of uh you

694
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:27,000
know they don't call it Spirits at the

695
00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:32,990
um think about this and this is just

696
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:35,880
opinion oriented okay right so

697
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:38,760
I'm a firm believer and and it relates

698
00:28:45,049 --> 00:28:42,240
to to what Morgan said too that

699
00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:45,059
negative Spirits or energies whatever

700
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:48,659
term you want to use they use cracks in

701
00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:51,900
people to get a foothold so to speak

702
00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:54,179
whether they're an alcoholic and drug

703
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:56,700
addict or they just have regular turmoil

704
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,919
in their life whatever it could be and

705
00:29:02,690 --> 00:29:00,480
this is more on the spiritual side of

706
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,700
things okay so this is a totally opinion

707
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:05,520
oriented oriented for me uh because I've

708
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:08,400
seen it happen over and over again

709
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:10,260
um a lot of times in these negative

710
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:12,539
hauntings you know quotation marks uh

711
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,400
negative cases

712
00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:16,320
um people do have a lot of strife and

713
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,120
people that are alcoholics or they have

714
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,059
drug addiction or they have a mental

715
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:23,520
illness of some sort these Spirits in my

716
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,600
opinion can gain a foothold by that by

717
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:28,799
utilizing those cracks even grief

718
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:30,840
someone Close to You dies and you have

719
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:32,940
all that internal grief

720
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,460
um they use that you know they can use

721
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:38,159
that they can gain a foothold because if

722
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:40,380
you are religious in the CR any

723
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:41,279
Christian

724
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,380
manner

725
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,600
um the sole purpose of demonic entities

726
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:47,039
is to what

727
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:50,520
kill you and gain your soul correct no

728
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,340
matter what what it takes that is what

729
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:55,620
their sole mission is okay

730
00:29:59,389 --> 00:29:57,299
um a lot of people

731
00:30:02,510 --> 00:29:59,399
um get that little nudge they need by

732
00:30:03,649 --> 00:30:02,520
something negative to commit suicide you

733
00:30:05,149 --> 00:30:03,659
know because they're dealing with all

734
00:30:07,630 --> 00:30:05,159
this strife and turmoil in their life

735
00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:07,640
whatever it may be but how do we explain

736
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,100
the ones that show no ideation of

737
00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:13,919
suicide no negative Strife in their life

738
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:15,779
they're happy go lucky next thing you

739
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:17,880
know next day they they off themselves

740
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,059
so you know there's all different ways

741
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,039
to look at this stuff

742
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:24,720
um there's a thing called the tulpa I'm

743
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:26,820
sure you guys have heard of that uh

744
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:29,399
where we can manifest I'm a firm

745
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:31,620
believer that we only use a time we know

746
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,000
we only use a tiny percentage of our

747
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,039
brain I think in each and every one of

748
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:37,520
us as human beings we have a totally

749
00:30:44,590 --> 00:30:41,159
unlocked unused piece of our brain that

750
00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:44,600
we can do some amazing things with and

751
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,399
I've seen it and I know you guys have

752
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:49,440
seen cases too where people are capable

753
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:52,440
of moving very heavy heavy objects with

754
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,779
their mind uh and levitating and

755
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:56,399
everything else

756
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,000
um but when you talk about tulpas

757
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,640
and you and you use that mindset

758
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,279
that we are capable of manifesting just

759
00:31:09,769 --> 00:31:06,960
like Morgan said

760
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:09,779
negative type energies just with our

761
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,100
thought process

762
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:13,140
you know I believe that is real as well

763
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,940
yeah well then you're talking about I

764
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:16,080
think it's like the collective

765
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:18,120
Consciousness right yeah enough people

766
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:20,100
concentrate on something it will

767
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:22,919
physically manifest into something now

768
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:24,659
what's to say demonic entities or

769
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,000
Spirits cannot utilize that negative

770
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:29,820
energy to manifest so you know there's a

771
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:31,500
lot of ways you can go down the rabbit

772
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:33,960
hole with this stuff I mean yeah uh we

773
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,640
just don't know enough about it to say

774
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:37,200
one way or the other you know I mean

775
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:38,940
that's why we're all doing what we're

776
00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:41,520
doing you know because it is some of

777
00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:44,100
man's greatest unanswered questions you

778
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,960
know what happens to us when we die are

779
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,760
there Spirits walking Among Us yes there

780
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,620
is and yes yes yes and we don't know

781
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,200
what they are you know so you know it's

782
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,720
fascinating stuff and you know I think

783
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,460
these type of discussions are very

784
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:57,840
important for us to have as

785
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:59,820
investigators it doesn't matter what

786
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,260
side of the pond you come from doesn't

787
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,360
matter what your belief system is

788
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,340
because all that information is very

789
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:07,500
important to come together and talk

790
00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:09,480
about it you know that's knowledge is

791
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:10,860
power and the more knowledge we have the

792
00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:13,080
more experiences we share then we can

793
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:15,779
start you know making up some uh

794
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:18,840
ideations and possible outcomes of these

795
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,419
of these scenarios you know

796
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,039
you know when I gotta get I get called

797
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:25,320
into a case it's it's gotten to the

798
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:26,940
point where it's not good

799
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:29,460
and I knew that you know

800
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,100
um and uh

801
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,799
I mean from what you just do describe

802
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,240
basically the top or a thought form

803
00:32:41,149 --> 00:32:38,399
manifestation that you know Poltergeist

804
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,159
cases are just ridiculous I mean um

805
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:43,200
you've got you you normally got somebody

806
00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:45,960
who's living in a family group usually a

807
00:32:49,630 --> 00:32:48,020
younger individual that's you know

808
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:49,640
unconsciously

809
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:54,059
experiencing PK and um psychokinetic

810
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:56,220
energy and

811
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:57,120
um

812
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,120
something that reacts like a spirit or

813
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,840
is is actually unconsciously manifested

814
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,760
by the this certain person and it could

815
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:07,200
be a lot of different things people talk

816
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:08,520
about

817
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:09,200
um

818
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:12,960
kids going through puberty or breaking

819
00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:16,679
hormones or uh and I I have found most

820
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:18,779
of times it has to do with dysfunction

821
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:20,820
and then you know where there's problems

822
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:23,340
in the family uh and that just seems

823
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,500
that you know the person kind of holds

824
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:27,600
up and all of a sudden their minds

825
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,080
manifest in all this this energy and

826
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:34,320
many times it'll attach itself to a an

827
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:36,360
entity that's already there

828
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:40,019
uh I have seen that so uh yeah I mean

829
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:41,640
this is

830
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,000
you know the mind the human mind if we

831
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:47,580
ever get to the point where we start

832
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:50,039
understanding the human mind to the

833
00:33:55,789 --> 00:33:53,220
degree that We Believe or what it Act

834
00:33:57,529 --> 00:33:55,799
improved or what it actually can do we

835
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:57,539
might start getting some answers I don't

836
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:59,640
know if we will or not but you know it's

837
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,840
there's something there there's

838
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:02,340
something about that

839
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:05,159
uh Morgan what do you think about yeah I

840
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:06,480
mean I think I think the bigger the

841
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,139
biggest question no matter what angle

842
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:12,480
anybody takes about the subject matter

843
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,700
is it it really comes down to

844
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:17,040
understanding Consciousness and what

845
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,500
what is it where is it coming from how

846
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:21,960
does it manifest and we know from

847
00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:23,820
multiple experiments including things

848
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:25,080
like the Philip experiment and stuff

849
00:34:29,409 --> 00:34:27,659
like that that we we absolutely can

850
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:29,419
manifest

851
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:33,060
like working energies with our attention

852
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:35,099
we know we can we know we can create it

853
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:36,659
and interestingly enough what they've

854
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:38,760
discovered is that you can't actually

855
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:40,859
when like once once this Consciousness

856
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:44,220
is developed outside of the person that

857
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:47,339
Consciousness can't act or or think or

858
00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:49,740
answer outside of the person's knowledge

859
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:51,899
which is always really interesting so

860
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:53,399
you can ask it questions but if you've

861
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:56,040
got the wrong information so will it so

862
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:58,740
there's some really interesting studies

863
00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:00,060
that have been done over the years on

864
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:01,820
the idea that we are actually

865
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,400
manifesting these entities and like I've

866
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:07,740
definitely leaned completely to that

867
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:09,180
side at this point because I think

868
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,920
there's there's a plethora of of

869
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,900
evidence that have been tested that you

870
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:15,119
can you can replicate Philip experiment

871
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:16,380
was a great example of that because it

872
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:19,619
was replicable in the in in studies

873
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:22,140
um and it was really interesting so it's

874
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:24,180
really really interesting because you

875
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:26,099
know when Dave hit on such a great point

876
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:29,160
is that the human mind is is phenomenal

877
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:32,339
and we know very little about its

878
00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:33,900
capabilities because

879
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:37,320
often when we look at the model of how

880
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:39,240
we view things whether it be through you

881
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,339
know materialism because very much like

882
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:43,200
the medical system and biology is very

883
00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:45,240
materialistic based

884
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,220
um where we're hitting a point now where

885
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,960
we have to reevaluate that we have to

886
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:50,940
reevaluate the idea that Consciousness

887
00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:55,260
is actually comes before that and so

888
00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:56,940
right now we've got this model of the

889
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:59,099
brain where we think okay the brain is

890
00:36:02,569 --> 00:36:00,540
generating Consciousness all these

891
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,579
neurons fire and then bam we can

892
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:04,560
interpret our environment and what

893
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:06,420
they're realizing now is that that model

894
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:09,000
is likely wrong and that what what's

895
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:10,500
happening is that the brain is like a

896
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,180
translation devices translating

897
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,160
Consciousness just in the same way our

898
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:15,599
tongues translate taste our eyes

899
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,700
translate light our eyes don't generate

900
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:19,680
the pictures around us our eyes just

901
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:21,180
translate the pictures around us and

902
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:23,220
then our brain interprets it and they're

903
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:25,619
starting to realize now that our brain

904
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,480
might be acting in that exact way where

905
00:36:31,069 --> 00:36:28,800
it's actually interpreting this

906
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:31,079
Consciousness and if that's the case

907
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:33,000
then everything that we're talking about

908
00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:35,579
here tonight like the idea that you know

909
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:38,040
our our negative Focus can manifest in

910
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,720
intelligence that is separate from us

911
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,000
begins to make a whole lot more sense

912
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,520
when you don't need the brain to

913
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:46,320
actually have that Consciousness there

914
00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:47,820
then you know you can start to build a

915
00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:49,800
case for things like life after death or

916
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,780
you know negative entities that are are

917
00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:53,700
manifested on their own and stuff like

918
00:36:58,329 --> 00:36:56,339
that so it's it's pretty interesting

919
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:58,339
yeah I know you've worked with some

920
00:37:02,329 --> 00:37:00,599
parapsychologists before and of course

921
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:02,339
that fill up experiment in Toronto in

922
00:37:09,170 --> 00:37:06,480
1972 that yeah that that was kind of the

923
00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:09,180
Nexus of all this where people really

924
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,060
just started understanding that hey you

925
00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:14,640
know you would talk about you talk about

926
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:17,220
Poltergeist you talk about

927
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:20,820
um my manifestations and how you know PK

928
00:37:25,569 --> 00:37:22,920
and all that and it that kind of

929
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:25,579
experiment and I suggest people go and

930
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:28,680
search the the Philip experiment

931
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:31,500
definitely and read about it and uh it

932
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,680
is it's intriguing it's a Cornerstone uh

933
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:37,200
to parapsychology and it's it's

934
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,240
interesting because a lot of Canadian

935
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:41,280
parapsychology isn't looked at which is

936
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:44,220
a shame because a lot of it the stuff

937
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:45,780
that has happened here my great great

938
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:47,820
grandfather was a Cornerstone of of

939
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,300
Canadian parapsychology and there was so

940
00:37:57,290 --> 00:37:53,760
much that that occurred here that case

941
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,300
specifically where it really really does

942
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,240
alter how you look at cases going

943
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:02,940
forward and once you can realize that

944
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,619
it's like you know if you can get

945
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,720
yourself out of that that sort of place

946
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:08,700
where you know okay well it's just

947
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:10,260
ghosts and goblins and stuff running

948
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:12,599
around and you can start to move into

949
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:15,180
the idea of wait a minute like we have a

950
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:18,240
play in What's Happening Here we have a

951
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,940
a position we have a role we have an

952
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,800
influence we have all of that and then

953
00:38:26,329 --> 00:38:24,720
and to me that's where it gets really

954
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,339
cool because you've got these

955
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:28,140
intelligences out there that absolutely

956
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,380
in my opinion exist and you know you can

957
00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:33,300
interact with them and you can do it but

958
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,640
at the same time it's like to think that

959
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:37,680
we have a role in that is is not only

960
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,480
fascinating but it's also really

961
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:41,520
empowering

962
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:43,260
you know I I don't know if I've ever

963
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,260
mentioned you this to you before but you

964
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:48,720
know most of my Poltergeist cases have

965
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:51,180
occurred in the Toronto area

966
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:53,220
that's interesting that's really

967
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,260
interesting yeah yeah I I used to live

968
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:57,119
in Hamilton I lived up there for about a

969
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:00,060
year and I don't know I don't know what

970
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:02,760
it is and I I ran into a couple cases up

971
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:06,180
there then but since I came back to the

972
00:39:13,069 --> 00:39:10,020
States and since that time I would say

973
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:13,079
40 to 50 percent of my cases that

974
00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:16,440
involved Poltergeist activity happened

975
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:19,400
in the Toronto or Toronto metro area

976
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:23,220
interesting why that happens I have no

977
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:25,800
idea but I I always found that bizarre

978
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,140
yeah that is interesting like I know I

979
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:31,680
mean there's a lot of of varied activity

980
00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:34,800
I find in in Canada like we have a very

981
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:37,980
wide plethora of stuff that goes on here

982
00:39:41,410 --> 00:39:40,380
that doesn't necessarily happen in other

983
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:41,420
places

984
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:44,040
so it's it's interesting like it's a

985
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:45,480
very different culture here when it

986
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:47,460
comes to the Paranormal I'm I'm sort of

987
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,220
the odd man out in a lot of ways but I

988
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:52,320
think the Native American ties guys well

989
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:53,940
I think there's something to say about

990
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:56,220
that because there was a lot going on up

991
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,420
there at the time and uh but you know I

992
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,700
I think most Canadians are more

993
00:40:06,829 --> 00:40:05,040
open-minded to a lot of this as well

994
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,839
yeah that's that's interesting that you

995
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:08,880
say that because I've I've found a bit

996
00:40:10,810 --> 00:40:10,200
of both

997
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:10,820
um

998
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:13,380
where I it's either one or the other

999
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:15,720
where you get people that are are

1000
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,180
absolutely fascinated and they're dying

1001
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:20,640
to they're dying to learn like I have no

1002
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:22,380
problem filling classes and workshops

1003
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:24,900
and shows and stuff here at all but

1004
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,020
what's interesting is the oftentimes if

1005
00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:30,240
you go in say for example you know you

1006
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:31,800
hear a report or something like that and

1007
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,420
you sit down at a restaurant and say Hey

1008
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:36,000
you know I hear there's activity here

1009
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:38,040
you know waitress you know what have you

1010
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:41,579
experienced and often you'll get we're

1011
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:43,140
not allowed to talk about that don't ask

1012
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:44,940
about that we're not allowed to speak

1013
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,260
with that

1014
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:48,240
um so it's it's really interesting like

1015
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:50,760
whole companies have come forward like I

1016
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:53,760
had a a theater this was a number of

1017
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,099
years back historical Theater which all

1018
00:41:00,349 --> 00:40:57,680
the staff it was well known to be

1019
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:00,359
extremely active with weird things going

1020
00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:03,960
on and I actually emailed the owner of

1021
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:05,339
the theater and I said you know what

1022
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,839
this is really interesting you know do

1023
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,400
you have any information are you know

1024
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,599
able to

1025
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,359
sort of point me in the right direction

1026
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,160
and he emailed me back and called every

1027
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,740
single one of his staff a liar and he

1028
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:18,359
just said you're he's like nope they're

1029
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,240
all lying this didn't happen and it's

1030
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:23,460
like what are you doing like what are

1031
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:25,500
you doing and that's really common here

1032
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:28,020
so you know going into places or asking

1033
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:29,880
like you know would we be able to do a

1034
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:31,320
study here

1035
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,780
that's because he doesn't want that you

1036
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:36,000
know let's say negative connotation for

1037
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,460
his business you know sure because of

1038
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,079
his paying customers that might get

1039
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:42,480
freaked out right yeah so you know I

1040
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,220
hear that all the time yeah I mean you

1041
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:46,260
know yeah I hear that a lot I'm not

1042
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:48,660
quite sure most of us do uh Richard

1043
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:50,700
what's your thoughts on this

1044
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,760
yeah I I I'm telling you I mean it's

1045
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:56,400
it's really people you know fear when

1046
00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:59,579
you go into a location you know what

1047
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:01,800
could get spun out like what is the

1048
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:03,060
narrative that's really going to come

1049
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,700
out of this so even if you're starting

1050
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:07,680
to talk about the negative effects and

1051
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:09,900
stuff there's going to be a filter on it

1052
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:11,940
from the person that's allowing you in

1053
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,000
there so it's going to change the

1054
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:16,560
narrative it's going to be what they

1055
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:20,700
want it to be I mean just just alone if

1056
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,619
you think of Canada and you even think

1057
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,680
of how open overseas the spiritualist

1058
00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:28,800
movement was accepted I mean overseas

1059
00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:30,440
everybody wants to talk about

1060
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:32,940
communicating with you know the dead and

1061
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:35,579
life after you come to the states and

1062
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:36,780
all of a sudden you start getting looked

1063
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,680
at like you're cool because I mean so

1064
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:43,680
other people are more open to

1065
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,440
um the Paranormal and the life life

1066
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:48,960
after death and Seance and

1067
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:52,560
so yeah I I I really what part of the

1068
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,760
country you're from here in the United

1069
00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:55,680
States too if you're in the Bible Belt

1070
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,400
or you know it's a lot more than like

1071
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,960
say when I started doing this and I'm

1072
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:03,599
sure for long he'll tell you too I mean

1073
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,960
it wasn't that long ago 15 20 years you

1074
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,640
had to really watch where you're at and

1075
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,839
what you were saying to folks because

1076
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:11,880
they'd be like you're you know you're

1077
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:13,380
dealing with the devil and all this

1078
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,540
other stuff they would really judge you

1079
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:18,000
hardcore I started doing this in the

1080
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:20,339
late 70s so look I I was you know I've

1081
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:22,680
heard it all and this part of

1082
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,420
Pennsylvania and you know this is where

1083
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:26,880
I grew up at until I moved down to

1084
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,500
Baltimore moved back

1085
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:30,960
I call this the the belt buckle or the

1086
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:33,900
Bible Belt in in Pennsylvania because

1087
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,319
it's very conservative and uh you you

1088
00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:39,420
you know you do have to see you do have

1089
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:45,770
so I mean can you imagine when you you

1090
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:47,880
know hey you know he's a Catholic and

1091
00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:50,040
he's a medium you know and then you get

1092
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:51,960
well you can't be a Catholic and be a

1093
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,940
medium because you know and then there's

1094
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,160
a whole other can of worms it's all

1095
00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:58,079
judgmental based you know I mean if it

1096
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,339
doesn't say it in the Bible it's not

1097
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:01,680
true and that's what we deal with you

1098
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:03,960
know and that's unfortunate but

1099
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:06,660
um you know I always when I have heated

1100
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:09,720
discussions with ministers and and uh

1101
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:11,640
priests and other people that don't want

1102
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:13,140
to hear anything else but what's in the

1103
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,940
Bible I always say I always throw them

1104
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:16,260
for a loop you know what I tell them I

1105
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:17,339
said what's the greatest Ghost Story

1106
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,619
Ever Told and they're like what what are

1107
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:20,640
you talking about I said what's the

1108
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:22,500
greatest ghost story ever told the

1109
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:24,359
resurrection of Jesus Christ the Holy

1110
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,359
Ghost and they're like whoa you know and

1111
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:29,040
I'm like well think about you gotta have

1112
00:44:34,609 --> 00:44:31,980
an open mind guys you know

1113
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,619
and that's why I really like I identify

1114
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,660
more with the spiritualist way of

1115
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,520
thinking because you know they opened

1116
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:40,319
the floor up at the end of every service

1117
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,540
for Spirit to come through and bring

1118
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:44,160
messages to you know their loved one

1119
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,859
they're eliminating the middle guy you

1120
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:49,680
know and you're not allowed to talk to

1121
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:52,200
them because that's just no no but

1122
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:54,060
when you're a spiritualist and you're

1123
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,619
and you go to these Services it's

1124
00:44:59,329 --> 00:44:57,420
beautiful when people are going through

1125
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:59,339
such hard moments in their lives and

1126
00:45:01,730 --> 00:45:00,660
their loved ones are coming through to

1127
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:01,740
let them know that there is that

1128
00:45:05,809 --> 00:45:03,900
continuity and that they are there for

1129
00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:05,819
them and they're you know answering

1130
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:07,380
things that their Consciousness thought

1131
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:09,060
while they walked into that church

1132
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:11,339
service so that just shows you how our

1133
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:13,260
Consciousness is even connecting with

1134
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:16,140
Spirits so it's beautiful and I wish

1135
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:18,060
more people I mean when I start talking

1136
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:20,220
about it they're like spiritual is what

1137
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,660
and I you know have to tell them well

1138
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,520
there's a spirit you know there's

1139
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:25,680
a spiritualist church here there's one

1140
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:27,540
in your town oh yeah and they have no

1141
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,300
idea about this so and that's why I I

1142
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:32,520
love when you start going overseas and

1143
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:34,140
you start reading you know the

1144
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:35,640
mediumship that's coming out of England

1145
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:38,040
and you know just just Europe itself

1146
00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:41,460
it's just amazing so I just wish we get

1147
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:43,020
to the point here in the states one day

1148
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,720
that we are more open to it I tell you

1149
00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:47,460
what fascinates me guys so you guys know

1150
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:49,500
I own a notorious haunted location

1151
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:52,020
called Willow's weep right so

1152
00:45:56,569 --> 00:45:53,880
um when it comes down to malevolent

1153
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:56,579
negative type hauntings so what

1154
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:57,900
fascinates me and we're talking about

1155
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:00,180
energies and what the human mind can be

1156
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:03,060
uh capable of possibly doing

1157
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:05,940
so what do you what do you make of when

1158
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:07,980
you have a location okay my house was

1159
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:11,460
built in 1890 and no one's lived

1160
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,280
physically lived in that house

1161
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,280
oh it's been

1162
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:20,640
11 12 13 years now no one's physically

1163
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:22,980
lived in that house and there's no

1164
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,560
electric in the house I pulled it all so

1165
00:46:30,050 --> 00:46:27,839
there's no false EMF readings or

1166
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:30,060
anything like that and you still have

1167
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:32,520
unexplained activity going on inside the

1168
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,760
house so are we saying nothing is the

1169
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:37,500
land that's the first thing I'm thinking

1170
00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:40,920
of so that you know obviously that kind

1171
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:42,599
of takes away a little bit what we've

1172
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:45,060
talked about of the human mind manifest

1173
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:47,220
and energy but does that energy linger

1174
00:46:54,010 --> 00:46:51,000
on and I'm a big energy guy I think for

1175
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,020
me personally when there's murders

1176
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:57,599
killings suicides I always feel like

1177
00:47:02,329 --> 00:47:00,540
that's a prime indicator for a possible

1178
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:02,339
Paranormal Activity because that energy

1179
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:05,160
lingers on there that horrible moment in

1180
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:07,560
time when that Blood Stained the very

1181
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:09,180
ground of that house is on you know

1182
00:47:12,829 --> 00:47:10,920
because somebody killed themselves or

1183
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:12,839
somebody was murdered or there's

1184
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:14,940
numerous deaths there's pedophilia just

1185
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:18,240
bad energy stuff is to be later on

1186
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:19,740
that's what we look into as an

1187
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:21,060
investigators we're looking at the

1188
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:23,339
energy aspect yeah absolutely you know I

1189
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:24,839
think I think though everything that

1190
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,700
we've we've talked about here it still

1191
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:28,319
completely applies

1192
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:30,060
um you know because as we know energy

1193
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,800
cannot be created or destroyed to go

1194
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:33,359
back to that Trope

1195
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:35,460
um so depending on you know I think

1196
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,740
what's happened there or whatever unless

1197
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:39,599
something's been done to to change that

1198
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:41,579
I mean it makes sense to me that you'd

1199
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,980
either there would still be activity and

1200
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:46,079
then there's another factor in in there

1201
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,060
as well called delayed psychokinesis

1202
00:47:53,569 --> 00:47:49,440
delayed PK

1203
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:53,579
you've got psychokinesis that energy has

1204
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:55,260
been projected but it doesn't have to

1205
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:57,540
happen in the in the immediate

1206
00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:59,160
um and oftentimes the misconception with

1207
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,380
psychokinesis is that it's like well you

1208
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:03,359
know somebody's really really frustrated

1209
00:48:07,130 --> 00:48:05,160
or angry or something like that and Bam

1210
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:07,140
something has to happen immediately and

1211
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:08,460
they've shown that that now that that's

1212
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:10,440
not the case and and if anybody's

1213
00:48:14,030 --> 00:48:12,540
interested in that Dr William rollsworth

1214
00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:14,040
covers some of that

1215
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,560
um

1216
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:18,720
isn't it wild yeah so they've found that

1217
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:20,940
that you can you can have that fit and

1218
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:22,560
then you know like I don't know like a

1219
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:24,359
day later say for example all of a

1220
00:48:28,490 --> 00:48:26,700
sudden a dish explodes

1221
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:28,500
um or or something like that and they so

1222
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,119
they found this this sort of delayed PK

1223
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,880
so I it makes you wonder like

1224
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:35,280
um just how number one how long that can

1225
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:36,599
go on for which I mean they don't have

1226
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:38,040
an answer for

1227
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:40,680
um but also I think you know when you're

1228
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:42,599
we're talking about the land like Dave

1229
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:44,099
you brought up that and Lawn you've

1230
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:45,720
mentioned that as well

1231
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:47,339
um you know there's there's so much now

1232
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,619
that they're starting to connect even

1233
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:51,839
geologically to some of this stuff like

1234
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:55,020
I know when um uh both in Edmonton and

1235
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,660
in uh Gettysburg the battlefield as well

1236
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:59,520
they're starting to look at

1237
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,079
um uh quartz beds that are underneath

1238
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:03,420
and pressure that's that's coming off

1239
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:04,920
these quartz beds and things like that

1240
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:07,800
that's projected like weird stuff and

1241
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:09,480
the tie from that into things like

1242
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:12,300
residual energy and and whatnot so like

1243
00:49:16,550 --> 00:49:14,819
if yeah you'd want to turn around and I

1244
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:16,560
I don't know like do a deep dive even

1245
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:18,839
geologically only what's going on we

1246
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,000
know we know crystals hold energy and

1247
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,800
store information we know it they're in

1248
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:24,540
all of our cell phones our TVs and

1249
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:26,819
everything else now so if you have a

1250
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:28,859
hotbed like in Gettysburg full of quartz

1251
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:31,380
crystal odds are that energy is stored

1252
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:33,000
and how does it get released we don't

1253
00:49:38,329 --> 00:49:35,339
know I mean it's just like when someone

1254
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:38,339
moves into a haunted house uh they start

1255
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:40,260
Remodeling and all sudden they had no

1256
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:42,060
activity to start Remodeling and all of

1257
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:43,619
a sudden the activities goes off the

1258
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:46,380
chain what is the precursor to causing

1259
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:49,140
that energy to release you know so it's

1260
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:52,020
fascinating stuff that kind of ties in

1261
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:54,300
with what's been going on here I mean I

1262
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:56,579
live 12 miles from the battle from

1263
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:58,380
Gettysburg Battlefield I'm on the

1264
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:59,700
battlefield a lot

1265
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:01,380
so I talked to a lot of people who

1266
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:03,420
worked there a lot of the people who and

1267
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,160
now they've been doing construction work

1268
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,920
around a little round top they're re

1269
00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:10,079
doing the whole area like a year and a

1270
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:11,460
half project

1271
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,560
I talked to one of the gentlemen who has

1272
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:16,319
been working there this winter

1273
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:18,300
and he told me you know we've been in

1274
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:19,980
there putting trails in we've been

1275
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:21,720
cleaning things up

1276
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:26,160
and the activity is just off the chart

1277
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:28,200
I mean it's almost like we're in there

1278
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:29,640
moving stuff around or just even

1279
00:50:33,730 --> 00:50:32,760
cleaning up and we're being told not to

1280
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,740
do it

1281
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:36,720
the activity has really picked up there

1282
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:40,319
and I you know I'm I'm I'm I'm trying to

1283
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:42,359
get somebody to let me in the area now

1284
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:44,040
even though they're doing the work and

1285
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,660
they're they don't really want anybody

1286
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:47,760
going in there but I'm just wondering

1287
00:50:52,329 --> 00:50:50,099
how that's going to translate and when

1288
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,339
they reopen everything

1289
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:54,720
and what kind of activity is going to

1290
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:56,700
pick up at the battlefield it'd be great

1291
00:51:01,329 --> 00:50:59,460
to get all those workers and get and get

1292
00:51:06,970 --> 00:51:01,339
their stories

1293
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:10,490
yeah I was uh you know it fascinated me

1294
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:14,520
because you know I I have practically

1295
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:16,619
we lived on that Battlefield most of my

1296
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:18,780
life and back and forth and over the

1297
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:21,000
years and uh I have seen and have

1298
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:22,380
experienced a lot of different I've

1299
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:25,619
heard a lot of different things and uh

1300
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:27,180
you know I didn't really think much of

1301
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:28,980
it but I knew they were shutting down

1302
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:31,020
the little round top area and they were

1303
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:32,280
going to do some work

1304
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:35,760
and um I I was up in Gettysburg about

1305
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:37,380
three weeks ago

1306
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:41,040
and I was over by uh one of the shops

1307
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:42,900
where they they sell a lot of artifacts

1308
00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:46,079
and stuff and um I I there was a guy in

1309
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:47,579
there and he was telling me he said yeah

1310
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:48,420
I've been doing some of the

1311
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:51,420
Reconstruction work up there and he said

1312
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:53,400
you know you want to talk about ghost

1313
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:55,079
stories and stuff so I've been hearing

1314
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:56,760
for years about all the activity at

1315
00:52:00,349 --> 00:51:58,260
Gettysburg I never really thought much

1316
00:52:01,549 --> 00:52:00,359
of it he said you know we're in there

1317
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:01,559
during the day

1318
00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:03,300
now because nobody's working at night

1319
00:52:07,809 --> 00:52:04,859
and they're in there moving stuff around

1320
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:07,819
and he said we got stuff going missing

1321
00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:10,500
we got uh

1322
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:13,500
Boulders that are rolling on their own

1323
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:17,220
all kinds of crazy stuff going on uh and

1324
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:18,300
we don't you don't hear anything about

1325
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:19,559
it I mean I would have heard anything

1326
00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:21,660
about I know some the people work at the

1327
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:23,700
the battlefield wouldn't be saying

1328
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:27,119
anything about it uh so uh yeah I

1329
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,160
that'll be interesting to see I'm gonna

1330
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:31,200
try to follow up on this eventually but

1331
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,640
uh yeah that you know it's what you were

1332
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:37,680
saying about you know the stored energy

1333
00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:38,940
and such

1334
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,579
and uh I just thought about that but

1335
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:43,559
yeah it's crazy well it's interesting

1336
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:45,300
you bring you bring that up as well I've

1337
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,819
got a uh a really good friend here and

1338
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:50,160
uh she bought me I heard her husband

1339
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:53,760
bought a uh an acreage in uh sort of

1340
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,980
south of of where where I live here

1341
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:58,559
about an hour from Edmonton and uh it

1342
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:00,300
was interesting because they bought the

1343
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,079
land and the land was completely like it

1344
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:06,000
completely treated everything and they

1345
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:07,260
were like no we really really want to

1346
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:08,460
put our house here like right in the

1347
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:09,900
middle of the trees this beautiful area

1348
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,819
and whatever oh my podcast thank you

1349
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:13,619
Vincent

1350
00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:16,740
um and uh it was so fascinating was like

1351
00:53:21,049 --> 00:53:18,359
they had no idea about the property

1352
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,059
nothing like that and when they started

1353
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:23,460
to dig is exactly what you were saying

1354
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:26,040
started to happen everything went

1355
00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:28,440
haywire and I mean they were digging a

1356
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:29,940
foundation for a house I mean it was

1357
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,300
like no small job and um the first night

1358
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,839
that they moved in to to the house

1359
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:38,160
non-stop activity from beginning to end

1360
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,780
and it hasn't stopped like it's been

1361
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:42,240
really a phenomenal journey to be with

1362
00:53:46,670 --> 00:53:44,940
these and they're wonderful people

1363
00:53:49,549 --> 00:53:46,680
um but it's been a very fascinating

1364
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:49,559
journey to to work on their property and

1365
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:51,720
what they found was that whenever they

1366
00:53:56,349 --> 00:53:54,660
would disturb the land or dig like dig a

1367
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,359
TR like pull something out or whatever

1368
00:54:01,549 --> 00:53:59,040
they would plant a tree they would

1369
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:01,559
return something to it and the activity

1370
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:04,319
would settle right down like an offering

1371
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,839
yeah yeah that's so interesting yeah

1372
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:08,880
isn't that interesting so that's what

1373
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:10,260
they started to do was every time

1374
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:11,579
they're like okay we're gonna dig a

1375
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:14,220
garden but we're gonna put something in

1376
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,099
and that seemed to really really balance

1377
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,960
things out like it's almost as if the

1378
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:21,440
the property itself had a Consciousness

1379
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,380
it was so so cool yeah and I mean and

1380
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,880
we've had it's just some incredible

1381
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,040
experiences on this this property I mean

1382
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:30,960
it's it's amazing

1383
00:54:35,089 --> 00:54:33,240
um but right yeah your story just

1384
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:35,099
reminded me of that because it was it

1385
00:54:41,049 --> 00:54:36,780
was this real give and take with the

1386
00:54:43,790 --> 00:54:41,059
land it was really very interesting wow

1387
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,800
does it have Native American ties is

1388
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:45,359
there any Native American artifacts

1389
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:47,160
found there yeah and well they haven't

1390
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:50,040
found any artifacts um but there is

1391
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:53,940
burials there we're pretty sure and they

1392
00:54:58,849 --> 00:54:57,480
are First Nations as well and so it's

1393
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:58,859
it's been very interesting and there's

1394
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:01,380
been a lot of uh activity in sort of in

1395
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,380
relationship to the first nations in the

1396
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:07,200
area that seems to have mirrored into

1397
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:09,780
into the the property as well and stuff

1398
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:11,579
I never encountered before like this has

1399
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:12,900
been such a learning curve for me

1400
00:55:17,809 --> 00:55:15,180
because there was so much on this piece

1401
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:17,819
of property that I had to really take a

1402
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,099
step back and then learn about

1403
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,319
um but it yeah it's it's so interesting

1404
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:24,000
and it just yeah goes to show I mean we

1405
00:55:26,970 --> 00:55:25,260
just we don't know what the hell is

1406
00:55:28,609 --> 00:55:26,980
going on

1407
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,619
[Music]

1408
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:30,720
well let me ask a question here from uh

1409
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:32,220
cat Gish

1410
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:34,140
um how to determine the difference

1411
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,740
between a demonic entity from just a

1412
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:39,839
nasty malicious spirit

1413
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:42,300
I'm gonna I'm gonna pipe in here you

1414
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,440
know I don't think there's really much

1415
00:55:47,710 --> 00:55:45,839
difference I think evil is evil you know

1416
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,720
I I've never really been one to

1417
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:50,400
recognize demons but you know I know

1418
00:55:58,809 --> 00:55:52,980
people have their own opinion on this so

1419
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,410
sure uh so uh for me I I think I think

1420
00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:05,460
the word demon gets thrown around a lot

1421
00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:08,220
because of religious connotations

1422
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:10,859
um and every every culture I I taught

1423
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,800
for a good number of years in uh my my

1424
00:56:16,790 --> 00:56:15,119
program teaching the living in

1425
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:16,800
post-secondary psychology and social

1426
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,260
work and what was interesting was that

1427
00:56:23,150 --> 00:56:21,420
the the the people were from all over

1428
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:23,160
the place and these these programs

1429
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:25,020
everywhere from indigenous to we had

1430
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:26,579
people from Haiti we had people like all

1431
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:29,460
over different cultures and every single

1432
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,460
culture had a name for the phenomena and

1433
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:34,559
it you know of course the the Christians

1434
00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:35,700
and the Catholics they were calling it

1435
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:38,099
demons you know you had the the Haitians

1436
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,660
calling it something different you had

1437
00:56:43,849 --> 00:56:41,520
the indigenous people calling it you

1438
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:43,859
know everything from you know when to go

1439
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,740
to you know pick pick a name

1440
00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:49,440
um everybody had different names or and

1441
00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:51,780
different stories behind where they felt

1442
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:53,880
it came from uh but at the end of the

1443
00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:56,040
day it was all all came back actually

1444
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:58,020
the same thing and and like we've talked

1445
00:57:02,569 --> 00:57:00,180
about throughout the show we don't know

1446
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,579
what it is we don't know precisely what

1447
00:57:06,049 --> 00:57:04,319
it is but everybody's describing the

1448
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:06,059
same phenomenon through the filter of

1449
00:57:11,569 --> 00:57:08,760
their culture so you know in terms of

1450
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:11,579
you know what's what's this versus that

1451
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:13,260
or whichever oftentimes when you start

1452
00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:15,540
to when you take the labels away and you

1453
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:18,119
start looking at the behavior of of the

1454
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:19,500
entity itself

1455
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:21,240
it doesn't really matter what you label

1456
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:23,220
it it's just the same behavior over and

1457
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:25,500
over again so I I don't think there's

1458
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:27,300
necessarily a difference but I I

1459
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:28,920
encourage people to take the label off

1460
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:30,900
of it and then just start looking at the

1461
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:33,420
the behavior of the entity right she's

1462
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:35,339
like with people so if something's

1463
00:57:40,130 --> 00:57:37,020
attacking you physically mentally and

1464
00:57:42,049 --> 00:57:40,140
spiritually uh and it's persistent and

1465
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,059
it's making you sick

1466
00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:44,400
more likely you can label that as

1467
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:46,619
whatever you want it's negative right so

1468
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:50,940
exactly so you know I mean that's break

1469
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:52,380
it down in the simplest terms like

1470
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:54,599
Morgan said take away the label if it's

1471
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,359
hurting you in any way shape or form you

1472
00:58:01,549 --> 00:57:59,520
can label it demonic negative evil

1473
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,559
whatever whatever your Forte is whatever

1474
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:03,839
your religious background is

1475
00:58:09,049 --> 00:58:06,420
and it was through like an EVP session

1476
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:09,059
that a friend of mine was having and

1477
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:12,960
we're listening to it and we hear demon

1478
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:15,780
okay so right away he's like there's a

1479
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:17,880
demon here I'm like how do you know it's

1480
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,760
not a tricks for humans that's on the

1481
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:22,319
other side that knows by saying that

1482
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:23,880
word to you it's going to make you do

1483
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:25,380
two things you're going to run out the

1484
00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:27,420
door or you're going to change the

1485
00:58:31,069 --> 00:58:29,339
investigation over to this whole we need

1486
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:31,079
a priest I mean it could just be

1487
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:33,720
somebody messing with you on on the

1488
00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:37,380
other side by saying demon to your EVP I

1489
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,140
mean so you're just a recorder so

1490
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:42,720
how do we know I mean like you said if

1491
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:45,000
you feel physically fatigued and you

1492
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:46,740
know like ailments start coming on then

1493
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:49,140
you could think oh this could be that

1494
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:51,780
negative you know

1495
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,460
um attachment or something that you have

1496
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:56,160
but I always say like when you hear the

1497
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,380
word demon come through in an

1498
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:00,480
investigation you know

1499
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,819
just you take it for what it's worth it

1500
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:04,559
could be coming from a spirit that's

1501
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:07,020
just messing with you too yeah the other

1502
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,640
thing you brought up some some great

1503
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:10,319
points Richard and I think the other

1504
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:13,260
thing that a really good Surefire way to

1505
00:59:18,049 --> 00:59:14,760
to figure out whether something is not

1506
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,059
good or good is what state of mind are

1507
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:21,359
you in and because you're not going to

1508
00:59:26,589 --> 00:59:23,940
attract something that's not in the same

1509
00:59:29,870 --> 00:59:26,599
frequency vibrationally as you are

1510
00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:29,880
yeah I mean and that's to me that's

1511
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:31,500
that's what it comes down to is check

1512
00:59:35,690 --> 00:59:33,720
yourself like I have a chapter in one of

1513
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,700
my books that's about you know if even

1514
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:37,980
if you've got a negative entity

1515
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,200
sometimes they're a gift because they're

1516
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,000
clueing you into something you've got

1517
00:59:47,569 --> 00:59:44,839
going on that you need to clean up so

1518
00:59:50,569 --> 00:59:47,579
there's there's power in saying hey wait

1519
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:50,579
a minute if if I'm seeing you there's

1520
00:59:55,849 --> 00:59:53,160
there's something going on with me and

1521
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,859
usually they reflect the trauma that

1522
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:57,359
you've got going on which is kind of

1523
01:00:01,789 --> 00:59:59,579
interesting I had a case uh this was a

1524
01:00:05,390 --> 01:00:01,799
number of years ago now but but uh it

1525
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:05,400
was a lady who had had emailed and her

1526
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:08,040
family was in a right mess to the point

1527
01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:09,180
where they were sleeping in their car

1528
01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:10,859
they couldn't sleep in their house

1529
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,180
anymore

1530
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,119
um and the The Entity that was there was

1531
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,760
just making mincemeat out of this for a

1532
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,920
family and what was interesting was that

1533
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,599
it was very focused on her it wasn't

1534
01:00:25,609 --> 01:00:23,819
focused on the husband it was still it

1535
01:00:28,609 --> 01:00:25,619
wasn't nice to the husband but he was

1536
01:00:30,109 --> 01:00:28,619
away and I thought that's really

1537
01:00:31,849 --> 01:00:30,119
interesting so I started to ask her

1538
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:31,859
questions I was like well you know tell

1539
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:33,720
me about tell me about your past history

1540
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:35,339
let's let's take a look at that because

1541
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:37,079
immediately you have to start looking at

1542
01:00:41,089 --> 01:00:39,420
the the person at that point and I said

1543
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:41,099
okay what what's what's going on with

1544
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:43,079
you oh no everything's great my life's

1545
01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:44,760
been great everything's fine well that's

1546
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:47,339
not true or this wouldn't be going on So

1547
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:49,260
eventually after I'm talking to her long

1548
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:51,599
enough what was interesting was that the

1549
01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:53,460
man that she was involved with before

1550
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:57,540
her current husband was severely abusive

1551
01:01:02,329 --> 01:01:00,119
and like physically abusive would hit

1552
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:02,339
her would you know you name it he was

1553
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:05,280
just a jerk and she ended up leaving him

1554
01:01:08,930 --> 01:01:07,020
and got in a great relationship with

1555
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:08,940
this new guy he was an amazing father

1556
01:01:14,809 --> 01:01:12,180
and he was awesome but she hadn't

1557
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:14,819
cleaned up anything that she had she had

1558
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:16,680
happened to her before so she's dragging

1559
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:18,900
that baggage into the new relationship

1560
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:20,579
and that's why she was saying oh my

1561
01:01:25,849 --> 01:01:22,440
life's great you know complete just

1562
01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:25,859
denial like push it down uh yeah she's

1563
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:27,660
still sitting in her poop in her past

1564
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:30,319
traumas or you know

1565
01:01:36,349 --> 01:01:34,140
there is mirroring the abuse so she

1566
01:01:39,289 --> 01:01:36,359
moved from one abuser to the next abuser

1567
01:01:40,849 --> 01:01:39,299
and and she hadn't cleaned up so so we

1568
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,859
uh you know I told her at that point I

1569
01:01:44,089 --> 01:01:42,960
said I said you got it you gotta get

1570
01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:44,099
your stuff together you got to get

1571
01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:46,740
yourself cleaned up and I said this is

1572
01:01:51,470 --> 01:01:49,020
yeah this will go away you got to heal

1573
01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:51,480
this stuff and and she did and it you

1574
01:01:55,010 --> 01:01:53,160
know it's of course the it started to

1575
01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:55,020
dissipate but it was one of those things

1576
01:01:58,370 --> 01:01:56,940
where you know yeah so I that would be

1577
01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:58,380
another way that I would that I would

1578
01:02:01,130 --> 01:01:59,640
tell people you know if you've got

1579
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:01,140
something like that going on check check

1580
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:04,880
yourself it's it's it's it's

1581
01:02:09,710 --> 01:02:07,859
the high the low vibration entities and

1582
01:02:12,349 --> 01:02:09,720
energies cannot exist in high

1583
01:02:14,890 --> 01:02:12,359
vibrational people and um you know

1584
01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:14,900
that's I believe that 100 percent

1585
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,460
I have found that that's really the only

1586
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:19,980
way to deal with Poltergeist is

1587
01:02:24,109 --> 01:02:22,559
basically you you know you can't go in

1588
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:24,119
there as an investigator or someone

1589
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,500
who's going to start clearing think

1590
01:02:29,030 --> 01:02:27,359
they're going to clear something that's

1591
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,040
you've got to talk to where you've got

1592
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:31,200
to talk to the person where this is

1593
01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:34,020
coming from and and get them and get the

1594
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,180
people around them to clean up their act

1595
01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:38,400
big time and this thing is going to move

1596
01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:40,380
on because it has nothing to feed upon

1597
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,839
you know not one I just wanted to say

1598
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,640
one more thing you know I've always

1599
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:46,319
found it fascinating and I've done this

1600
01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:48,900
a couple times times say the word demon

1601
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:50,940
in front of front of a clergyman or a

1602
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:58,130
you know it's like that's it that's

1603
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:59,940
that's that's it I mean they don't want

1604
01:03:02,410 --> 01:03:01,020
to talk anymore

1605
01:03:05,329 --> 01:03:02,420
yeah

1606
01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:05,339
I have always found that funny but you

1607
01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:07,380
know you know I have control myself I

1608
01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:08,819
didn't laugh at him or anything but I

1609
01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:10,980
just thought I found it fascinating we

1610
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,599
got another question here this is

1611
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:14,400
Vincent um

1612
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:17,040
what are entities like the Hat man has

1613
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:18,720
any of the guests dealt with this

1614
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,549
Slenderman's definitely a top uh hat man

1615
01:03:32,930 --> 01:03:31,200
may be a tall bug we don't know but

1616
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:32,940
yeah well the hot Mountain thing is so

1617
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,760
strange too like the the history behind

1618
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:37,920
that an associate I wrote an article for

1619
01:03:42,530 --> 01:03:40,980
haunted Magazine on on Hat Man and what

1620
01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:42,540
I found really fascinating about this

1621
01:03:51,289 --> 01:03:45,780
was how it spanned so many different

1622
01:03:52,910 --> 01:03:51,299
cultures and that it was linked to a I

1623
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,920
can't remember now the of course the

1624
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:55,200
name of the disorder has gone up one ear

1625
01:04:01,069 --> 01:03:58,079
note the other uh but it was linked to a

1626
01:04:03,530 --> 01:04:01,079
sleep disorder and it was so interesting

1627
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:03,540
to me because it was primarily in one

1628
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:07,200
particular culture and it it sort of got

1629
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,720
drug over it seemed with that particular

1630
01:04:13,549 --> 01:04:11,280
culture

1631
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:13,559
um but it seemed to be this like this

1632
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:15,720
sort of sleep disorder

1633
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:18,420
um slash I just I know Consciousness

1634
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:20,460
that seems to be coming in like in like

1635
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,079
Dave says I think I think at this point

1636
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:24,000
now is some sort of a tulpa is some sort

1637
01:04:28,569 --> 01:04:26,339
of a thought form that keeps showing up

1638
01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:28,579
because I mean it's it's now bridging

1639
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:32,760
cultures and gaps and and oceans that I

1640
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:35,839
mean it's technically shouldn't be yeah

1641
01:04:40,190 --> 01:04:38,280
it's just like the old hag the sleep

1642
01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:40,200
paralysis thing you know it's it's

1643
01:04:45,410 --> 01:04:42,839
similar very similar to that in a lot of

1644
01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:45,420
ways I mean you know these things

1645
01:04:50,690 --> 01:04:47,339
does it does it truly happen to people

1646
01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:50,700
sure I believe it does I mean um but is

1647
01:04:54,349 --> 01:04:52,500
it some kind of subconscious

1648
01:04:56,809 --> 01:04:54,359
manifestation

1649
01:04:58,010 --> 01:04:56,819
of someone who has a lot of strife in

1650
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,020
their life or whatever's going on

1651
01:05:01,970 --> 01:04:59,760
health-wise or whatever we don't know I

1652
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:01,980
mean it's all interrelated to me I mean

1653
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:04,799
all of it so big time I I think the Hat

1654
01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:06,780
Man phenomena is very similar to shadow

1655
01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:08,760
people for the most part but though the

1656
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:11,220
Hat man thing in in cases I have been

1657
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:13,920
involved were a person would describe to

1658
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,559
me well they look like they had a hat a

1659
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:18,540
lot of times they have the glowing eyes

1660
01:05:23,030 --> 01:05:20,700
or they've got another being with them

1661
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:23,040
or they've got something else going on

1662
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,119
uh but the overall characteristics

1663
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,280
seemed the same are very similar to what

1664
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:30,960
happens with the Shadow People is

1665
01:05:37,370 --> 01:05:34,020
they're there to feed off dysfunction or

1666
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:37,380
bad energy or something like that and uh

1667
01:05:41,450 --> 01:05:40,559
you know I have always when I've had to

1668
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:41,460
help

1669
01:05:46,030 --> 01:05:44,280
someone uh and I do think it's a talk I

1670
01:05:49,309 --> 01:05:46,040
think I think it is a self-manifestation

1671
01:05:51,289 --> 01:05:49,319
and uh I I think

1672
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:51,299
um it's got to be handled like a

1673
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:53,880
poltergeist situation it's not exactly

1674
01:06:01,609 --> 01:05:54,720
like

1675
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:01,619
the energy this is something different

1676
01:06:07,309 --> 01:06:05,220
my grandmother told me a story and I've

1677
01:06:10,609 --> 01:06:07,319
for the longest I always thought it was

1678
01:06:12,829 --> 01:06:10,619
a ghost story when I was a kid and she

1679
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:12,839
lost her husband she's in bed sleeping

1680
01:06:18,049 --> 01:06:14,460
and something woke her up in the middle

1681
01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:18,059
of the night and she wakes up and she

1682
01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:19,740
really couldn't move but she could see

1683
01:06:24,170 --> 01:06:21,660
the foot of her bed and she could make

1684
01:06:27,170 --> 01:06:24,180
out that there was a man and he had a

1685
01:06:29,870 --> 01:06:27,180
black trench coat and he had a fedora

1686
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,880
and it scared her she put the covers

1687
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:31,680
back on her head and said please please

1688
01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:34,079
please go away and when she put the

1689
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:35,940
covers back down

1690
01:06:38,770 --> 01:06:37,799
what was ever at the foot of her bed was

1691
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:38,780
gone

1692
01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:42,000
so that makes you think too you know she

1693
01:06:44,809 --> 01:06:43,260
was

1694
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:44,819
going through the loss of her husband

1695
01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:48,480
maybe you know the energy I mean it was

1696
01:06:53,569 --> 01:06:51,299
very interesting though yeah

1697
01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:53,579
yeah like I said it's one of those grief

1698
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:56,460
situations that those entities or energy

1699
01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:59,760
to try to manipulate and take advantage

1700
01:07:04,010 --> 01:07:01,380
of you know that's what I feel when

1701
01:07:06,410 --> 01:07:04,020
those type of situations happen yeah

1702
01:07:08,210 --> 01:07:06,420
and it she like said it was a split

1703
01:07:10,849 --> 01:07:08,220
second she swarmed she put the covers

1704
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:10,859
back back over her head and then it was

1705
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,980
gone and she remembered it as clear as

1706
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:15,839
day up and to the point that when she

1707
01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:17,220
passed away she would always tell you

1708
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,740
know the story over again and you know

1709
01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:21,599
as I got older and I knew what shadow

1710
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,220
people were and then I learned about the

1711
01:07:28,970 --> 01:07:25,920
Hat Man uh I'm like wow this is more of

1712
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:28,980
that than this well and there's weird

1713
01:07:33,289 --> 01:07:31,619
ties in again like we were talking about

1714
01:07:35,809 --> 01:07:33,299
cultures like these these interesting

1715
01:07:37,789 --> 01:07:35,819
ties with with the hatman culturally as

1716
01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:37,799
well like people creating the stories

1717
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:39,660
about what they think that these things

1718
01:07:44,450 --> 01:07:42,660
might be like I did a an episode of of

1719
01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:44,460
this on my podcast Supernatural

1720
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:47,220
circumstances where I had a I had a

1721
01:07:53,210 --> 01:07:50,400
guest on who was she was very religious

1722
01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:53,220
and firmly believed that that know this

1723
01:07:58,089 --> 01:07:55,500
had to be you know the devil this was

1724
01:08:00,529 --> 01:07:58,099
something like so it's interesting how

1725
01:08:02,510 --> 01:08:00,539
like we've mentioned before that there's

1726
01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:02,520
there's sort of these different cultural

1727
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,440
takes on well this is what this is is

1728
01:08:09,049 --> 01:08:06,960
and often related oh thank you Vincent

1729
01:08:11,450 --> 01:08:09,059
um often related to

1730
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:11,460
um just our own filters and I think the

1731
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:13,740
stories we're telling ourselves about

1732
01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:16,259
what these things are and and that I

1733
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,940
think is something people whether

1734
01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:19,679
they're seeing like things like hatman

1735
01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:21,540
or you know the Slenderman thing like

1736
01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:23,460
like you guys were mentioning you know

1737
01:08:27,410 --> 01:08:25,560
all of that is it's like you really got

1738
01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:27,420
to take a step back and think about what

1739
01:08:32,510 --> 01:08:29,819
what's your narrative about what this is

1740
01:08:35,209 --> 01:08:32,520
because I think that adds a lot to

1741
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:35,219
people's Their Fear what their what

1742
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:37,020
they're thinking about the situation how

1743
01:08:40,189 --> 01:08:38,339
they're moving through their world all

1744
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,199
of that is like what is the narrative

1745
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:42,560
you're telling yourself

1746
01:08:47,150 --> 01:08:45,120
well that all goes along with the

1747
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,160
mainstream Church guys I I truly feel

1748
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,960
we've been brain lost for Generations

1749
01:08:53,209 --> 01:08:51,120
we're only told what they want to tell

1750
01:08:56,150 --> 01:08:53,219
us we've we've had the old ways taken

1751
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:56,160
from us and uh you know we can do a

1752
01:09:03,769 --> 01:08:57,239
whole another show or two on that

1753
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:05,090
we don't even talk about that sometimes

1754
01:09:08,030 --> 01:09:06,960
I every once in a while I will talk

1755
01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:08,040
about

1756
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,739
uh you know doing a case where somebody

1757
01:09:14,990 --> 01:09:12,719
has called a priest or called him a

1758
01:09:16,430 --> 01:09:15,000
pastor or somebody come in and they're

1759
01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:16,440
usually the first ones running out the

1760
01:09:21,169 --> 01:09:19,319
door yeah yeah you know well and what a

1761
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:21,179
lot of people don't realize too is that

1762
01:09:27,769 --> 01:09:24,719
if you're if you're if you're acting in

1763
01:09:30,110 --> 01:09:27,779
any way out of fear you're putting Focus

1764
01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:30,120
where it shouldn't be if you you want to

1765
01:09:33,769 --> 01:09:32,219
shift the energy in your in your

1766
01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:33,779
environment and you want to change the

1767
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,179
dynamic that's going on don't come at it

1768
01:09:40,189 --> 01:09:37,920
from a place of oh my God get out of my

1769
01:09:42,769 --> 01:09:40,199
house you know come at it from a place

1770
01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:42,779
of appreciation of joy of positive

1771
01:09:48,349 --> 01:09:45,660
aspects of get yourself into the good

1772
01:09:50,209 --> 01:09:48,359
energy first and then start to shift

1773
01:09:52,249 --> 01:09:50,219
what you're doing but if you're coming

1774
01:09:55,550 --> 01:09:52,259
at this as you know oh my God you know

1775
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:55,560
fear and Terror and whatnot and you know

1776
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,060
you're trying to use you know somebody

1777
01:10:02,090 --> 01:09:59,520
else's belief system to cure the problem

1778
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:02,100
whatever that's not going to work it's

1779
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:04,380
just not going to work so I think a lot

1780
01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:05,940
of the time like you're mentioned Dave

1781
01:10:10,570 --> 01:10:07,980
you mentioned the church you know people

1782
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:10,580
think that they've got this Monopoly on

1783
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,840
Paranormal Activity like you have to

1784
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,640
have the priests come in and do the

1785
01:10:18,410 --> 01:10:16,320
thing and you know there's this whole

1786
01:10:20,090 --> 01:10:18,420
thing and it's like it's like no that's

1787
01:10:22,910 --> 01:10:20,100
there's there's a million ways whatever

1788
01:10:27,649 --> 01:10:22,920
makes you feel good whatever brings you

1789
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,659
Joy do that yeah when I take a case I

1790
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,760
ask the people what they're what they

1791
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,199
believe in what's their denomination

1792
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:33,120
what do they do because that's the only

1793
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:34,440
way you're gonna be able to deal with it

1794
01:10:40,010 --> 01:10:37,920
you know yeah yeah 100 agree with you

1795
01:10:42,649 --> 01:10:40,020
100 you know I've had two instances

1796
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,659
where I got called into something where

1797
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,880
you know a family was scared or sleeping

1798
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:46,320
in the living room

1799
01:10:51,169 --> 01:10:48,540
and they called me in the middle of the

1800
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,179
night I I had one case in particular it

1801
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:53,520
was local my son and I went out there

1802
01:10:57,770 --> 01:10:56,280
and you know I got to the house it was

1803
01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:57,780
very close to me

1804
01:11:01,550 --> 01:10:59,880
I walked in there and she said oh yeah I

1805
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,560
called the priest too

1806
01:11:05,630 --> 01:11:03,120
what the hell did you call the police

1807
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,640
for I mean what'd you even call me yeah

1808
01:11:10,370 --> 01:11:08,400
yeah you know and I go upstairs and

1809
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:10,380
start nosing around priest I come back

1810
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:12,120
downstairs the priest is standing in the

1811
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:13,140
voyeur

1812
01:11:17,209 --> 01:11:15,900
and he asked me so what's going on I

1813
01:11:19,970 --> 01:11:17,219
told him I said I don't know what what

1814
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:19,980
it is but it there's some knocking going

1815
01:11:26,410 --> 01:11:23,280
on up there okay well I I you know I'll

1816
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:26,420
talk to you all that he he

1817
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,540
yeah I mean it's like yeah and yeah what

1818
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:32,960
happened in the movies I'm out of here

1819
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,940
absolutely I mean you know unless he's

1820
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:37,679
you know this is what gets me about the

1821
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:39,000
Catholic church and I might get myself

1822
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,900
in trouble saying this and look I I

1823
01:11:46,610 --> 01:11:44,880
you know I I understand the whole

1824
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,620
Catholic race thing and you know the

1825
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,480
whole thing with the church and as far

1826
01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:50,880
as exorcism and all but

1827
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,880
you know you just can't call a priest

1828
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,679
out of a local parish and have them

1829
01:11:59,570 --> 01:11:57,600
expect to do anything because first of

1830
01:12:03,229 --> 01:11:59,580
all they don't really want to do it

1831
01:12:05,689 --> 01:12:03,239
they're not trained to do that I am glad

1832
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,699
now that especially here in the United

1833
01:12:09,790 --> 01:12:07,679
States that they're actually training

1834
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:09,800
priests to do this or to recognize

1835
01:12:16,669 --> 01:12:13,920
what's going on uh I know in Baltimore

1836
01:12:18,890 --> 01:12:16,679
they've been doing that in recent years

1837
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:18,900
they they actually hold it they actually

1838
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,000
hold a symposium every year and they

1839
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,280
bring them in there you know and they

1840
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:25,199
have people from room come over and and

1841
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:28,020
work with them and that's just been

1842
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,600
going on the past decade but if you call

1843
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,600
if you call the local guy he's not gonna

1844
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,239
do anything yeah no they won't even help

1845
01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:37,920
people if they're not active in the

1846
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:39,659
church either well that's true too if

1847
01:12:43,070 --> 01:12:41,400
they're if you're not active you might

1848
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:43,080
as well not even call them because they

1849
01:12:46,010 --> 01:12:44,640
won't come and help you

1850
01:12:47,330 --> 01:12:46,020
or they're looking at their piece of

1851
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:47,340
paper and be like you didn't make a

1852
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:53,030
I've seen that too it's all money and

1853
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,860
fear-based driven all of it so you think

1854
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:57,600
about it think of how our ancient

1855
01:13:03,410 --> 01:13:00,840
cultures right we we Embrace death and

1856
01:13:06,890 --> 01:13:03,420
the communication with you know Spirit

1857
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:06,900
and the land and our ancestors and how

1858
01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:10,080
that changed as time went on to now us

1859
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:11,940
needing to go to a building and for us

1860
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:15,480
needing to give money for uh it got lost

1861
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:17,940
in translation right I mean that's

1862
01:13:21,850 --> 01:13:20,400
really you know oh make no mistake there

1863
01:13:25,010 --> 01:13:21,860
was an agenda

1864
01:13:26,990 --> 01:13:25,020
from way back

1865
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,000
well I got one other question I'm going

1866
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:29,520
to ask before we wrap it up here this is

1867
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:32,159
from Tracy Hall do any of you have

1868
01:13:35,930 --> 01:13:34,380
suggestions for dealing with sleep

1869
01:13:37,930 --> 01:13:35,940
paralysis

1870
01:13:40,189 --> 01:13:37,940
yeah go to a doctor

1871
01:13:42,890 --> 01:13:40,199
go to a doctor

1872
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:42,900
um you know that's it it really it

1873
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,360
really comes down to that and I mean and

1874
01:13:49,490 --> 01:13:47,040
spiritually it's kind of interesting or

1875
01:13:50,810 --> 01:13:49,500
I should say scientifically is that

1876
01:13:53,149 --> 01:13:50,820
um there's been some interesting

1877
01:13:55,729 --> 01:13:53,159
Research into both the hypnagogic and

1878
01:13:57,709 --> 01:13:55,739
the hypnopic states of sleep the

1879
01:13:59,330 --> 01:13:57,719
hypnagogic being when you're going into

1880
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:59,340
sleep The hypnobic Becoming when you're

1881
01:14:04,130 --> 01:14:00,600
coming out of sleep or you're kind of in

1882
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,140
that hazy space and um they're realizing

1883
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:06,000
now that it's becoming very difficult to

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tell what is actually hallucination

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versus what is real and that the

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hallucinatory parts of the brain which

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they thought were active are now it's

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now a little the line is blurring a

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little bit so it's sort of opening up a

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new door in parapsychology research

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right now because it's like well what

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does that mean what people seeing that

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but when it comes to things like like

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sleep paralysis and stuff I think the

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biggest thing is is don't jump to the

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conclusion that it's something

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Supernatural like you go to the doctor

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get evaluated you know go go to a Sleep

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Clinic

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um and things like that and and deal

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with it that way because I think the

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worst thing you can do is kind of scare

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yourself into thinking that there's you

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know oh my God this is something because

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the night terrors and stuff during sleep

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paralysis are not like nightmares like

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they are complete they're another ball

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game they're it's really terrifying and

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and what not so definitely uh yeah see a

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doctor about it and you can always

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record yourself when you're sleeping too

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to see what you can pick up yeah you

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know

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and I think like energy work is huge too

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I mean if you're if you believe in

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energy I mean I I would go and have some

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Reiki done and you know shop you know

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your chakra is balanced I mean that also

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is huge whether you're a big recent

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normal yeah

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ground yourself get grounded

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yeah so maybe Marla Post in there about

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drumming helps and yeah I have used that

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in the past as well

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um meditation you know there's a lot of

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different ways of doing it I mean you

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know I had sleep paralysis when I was a

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kid

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and the stuff that I was

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even though I was in I was intuitive I

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didn't realize it at the time as a kid

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but I was sensing and seeing all kinds

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of crazy stuff especially in the middle

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of night I'd wake up and I'm just seeing

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this whatever was up there hovering

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above me and uh I don't ever I still

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don't believe it was something that was

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actually a manifestation I it was just

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my mind

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you know an overload you know but um

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yeah I agree with what you said Morgan

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you you if you do experience sleep route

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paralysis or something to that degree I

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think you should

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go to a doctor or seek someone who

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actually specializes in that yeah it's

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the last thing you want is you know

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going to you know some hobbyist or or

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something like that and having them be

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scared the hell out of you by saying oh

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you know you're getting attacked by a

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demon or something like that it's like

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no get it treated you know and then if

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you know if you still got weird stuff

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going on then then work it from there

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but get healthy first yeah

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we'll kind of work on you yeah

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well I'm going to go around the horn

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here and folks I want you to tell uh you

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know let everybody know how they get in

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contact with you what you got coming up

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and you know anything you want to say

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I'm going to start with Dave

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okay you can uh

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find out about me or contact me through

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my website

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www.davespinks

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paranormalinvestigator.com it lists of

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all the upcoming events I'll be speaking

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at this year how to get my books how to

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01:17:24,110 --> 01:17:22,500
contact me via email and whatnot so hope

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to see you at Dave speaks world of weird

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Morgan

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okay

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um my One-Stop shop is entity Seeker dot

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CA and uh you can literally find

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01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:39,179
everything there including a link to my

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podcast Supernatural circumstances with

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Mike Brown and uh always have all the

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books links to the books are there links

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to the podcast you can download the

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podcast on literally any platform

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including I heart radio and audible

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um both my books are available there the

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gift of instincts paranormal lessons for

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01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,960
an extraordinary world and teaching the

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living from heartbreak to happiness in a

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haunted home and you can also see my

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shows and lectures as well which are I'm

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now booking for 2023 so if you want me

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to come and speak and do any of the

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01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,719
theater shows and whatnot that I do I

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teach with fire and all sorts of fun

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stuff and you can get a hold of me there

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as well for that

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okay Richard

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well you can find me on Facebook I'm on

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Instagram I'm on Tick Tock I'm on all

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the socials you can find me at

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www.richardmichella.com and on there I

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have my storefront and also through

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there you can book a session for my

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spirit art session so yeah everything's

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on the website so thank you

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well folks I appreciate you coming home

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with me tonight I think we got a lot

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done in the hour and 15 minutes when we

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were on we did talk about a lot

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should we check the CNN feed for the

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yeah go ahead on the UFO let's see one

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one last

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updates on our our Strange UFO or UAP

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phenomenon

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not yet oh my God I think they've told

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everybody to shut up now the narrative

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is already going to start changing you

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know exactly you know it'll be

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interesting to watch YouTube tonight

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because everybody beyond all the content

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creators will be up there putting their

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the next day they said it was a weather

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01:19:35,689 --> 01:19:31,980
balloon say that Dave I was gonna say

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01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:37,430
but yeah hate it when you have to shoot

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well Dave Morgan and Richard I want to

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thank you again for coming let's do this

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again I like this group we had a really

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01:19:53,450 --> 01:19:51,719
good conversation so uh y'all have a

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01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,460
good evening you have a good rest of the

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week good weekend and uh we will talking

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soon all right thanks for having me

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now if you have a cellular encounter

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01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:07,140
report that you'd like to be considered

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for the personal report show or even a

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Phantoms of monsters please uh feel free

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to forward to me at lawn stricklander

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fans monsters.com

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I want to again thank David and uh

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Morgan and Richard for joining me this

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evening I thought it was really good

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show and and thanks to each and all you

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for watching and chatting we have a

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great chat room

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uh and I you know

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whatever support you can offer please

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like subscribe and share

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and uh let's see next Wednesday and

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we're gonna have a Wednesday show with a

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guest uh next Wednesday 9 p.m Eastern 6

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p.m Pacific I will be joined by the Nate

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01:20:52,189 --> 01:20:49,800
Navajo investigator Brenda Harris who

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01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:52,199
has actively looked into various

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01:20:57,169 --> 01:20:54,900
activity and P her people's native land

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01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,179
in the four corners area for several

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years so uh this should be an

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interesting show

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and next Friday night at 9 00 PM 6 p.m

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Pacific investigator filmmaker and fans

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of monsters 14 Research affiliate Eric

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mintel will join me to discuss uh recent

2060
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:15,960
cases and upcoming projects that he and

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01:21:21,770 --> 01:21:19,679
his team have planned for 2023

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and stay tuned for paranormal life of

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Bernadette magana with her guest uh

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podcaster Bigfoot Michigan Rob here on

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fans of monsters radio 11 p.m Eastern so

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until we meet again stay safe and stay

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